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zoobrenok 45 ( +1 | -1 )
was exchange right way to go? board #259838

Game is still in progress, so please do not give me advice :-), but I do have a question - after I made a blunder and lost my queen, was piece exchange good idea or not? Would you play it differently for me?
I might win (1% chance) or loose (99%) it, but just wanted to get some info while I still remember why I made those moves after loosing the queen...
brunetti 33 ( +1 | -1 )
General answer When behind of material, generally it's not good to go for exchanges, because the material deficit become more evident the less pieces remain on the board.
I won't comment your game and your exchanges; I can't say too how much my previous statement can apply to your game, since you are not a net Queen down, but you've got in exchange a few pieces.

Alex
taoistlunatic 40 ( +1 | -1 )
I'd much rather be black. I respect Brunetti for not commenting on the ongoing game, but I will make a GENERAL statement.
2 rooks, 2 knights is almost always better than 1 queen, 1 rook, especially with pawns still on the board to support the knights.
I'd say black has the advantage in this game, but as to how to convert that advantage to a win, that is up to you zoobrenok.
maskella 2 ( +1 | -1 )
yes good work
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zoobrenok 12 ( +1 | -1 )
thanks a lot all i will post more once game is over - maybe we can go over mistakes both sides made?
tio_uy 8 ( +1 | -1 )
yes, please... to kill this queen take me a lot of material... I want to know if I did well... :)
atrifix 86 ( +1 | -1 )
I will not comment on the game either, however, I will make the general statement that a queen (9 points) is roughly equivelant to a rook (5), knight (3) and pawn (1). Having a rook, knight, and another piece against a queen constitues a material advantage. Also, when you have a material advantage, it is usually favorable to trade pieces so that the material advantage becomes more evident and to keep pawns so that you may eventually queen one. When you are at a material disadvantage, it is usually a good idea to keep pieces and trade pawns. For example, if a player is down a piece but no or very few pawns remain on the board, it can be extremely difficult to win, however, if a player is down a piece on the 5th move of a game while all the pawns remain on the board, the win should be straightforward.

Atrifix
atrifix 86 ( +1 | -1 )
I will not comment on the game either, however, I will make the general statement that a queen (9 points) is roughly equivelant to a rook (5), knight (3) and pawn (1). Having a rook, knight, and another piece against a queen constitues a material advantage. Also, when you have a material advantage, it is usually favorable to trade pieces so that the material advantage becomes more evident and to keep pawns so that you may eventually queen one. When you are at a material disadvantage, it is usually a good idea to keep pieces and trade pawns. For example, if a player is down a piece but no or very few pawns remain on the board, it can be extremely difficult to win, however, if a player is down a piece on the 5th move of a game while all the pawns remain on the board, the win should be straightforward.

Atrifix
zoobrenok 49 ( +1 | -1 )
Well... Game is over now - I lost.
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If you to ask me why (forget about all mistakes I made - they are result of something, not the cause of the problem), then the answer would be because I did not have a "game plan" - I did not know what I want to achieve.
It might've been differently if time controls were set to 14 days instead of 3 - this way I would've "overcommed" my problem with "not having a plan". and maybe I would've been able to turn things around.

Any comments now once game is over?
tio_uy 91 ( +1 | -1 )
the other bell... I confront the game in two different ways ... after and before 8...Bxe3 9.Nc3 Bd4. After that mistake of zoobrenok and until 17.dxc7 Kxc7 the game flow by itself from my point of view... may be I must be more conservative, but since isn't my first game with zoobrenok, I wanted to see in what the game deriving. After that, I think that Zoo don't put in practice any plan, like he say... perhaps he trusted his superiority in pieces, but from this point I work a lot every move, taking care of everyone of them...

I think I had luck, but I do not believe that if the game began again at move 17, I had some opportunity to win

was a good game, and I learn a lot.... thanks to zoobrenok for it... we will see soon....
atrifix 124 ( +1 | -1 )
My opinion After 5... Qh4?! White should have responded with the simple 6. Nc3, when Black's bishop would be better placed on b4 than c5. 6. Nf5? is a mistake.

After 6... Qxe4 7. Bd3?, Black should play 7... Qxg2 8. Ng3 Bxe3 9. fxe3 Nf6 and follow with 10... Qd5, after which he should win easily.

9. Nc3 Bd4? allows the 10. Re1 pin. Better would have been 9... Nf6 and 10... 0-0.

After 10. Re1 Bxc3 White should play 11. bxc3, of course...10. Rxe5?? just loses a piece. After this Black is winning because of his material advantage (Rook, bishop, and knight to queen)

12. Qe2 d6? allows 13. f4...best is 12... Kf8 when White is hard pressed to find any attack (for example, 13. Re1 d6 14. f4 Bxf5 15. Bxf5 Bxb2).

19... Kb6?! and especially 20... Kb5? (20... Kc7)exposes the king to unnecessary tactics. 19... Nd6 or 21. Qf4+ Nd6 should have been played (20. c4 b6 is fine.)

21. Qf3? isn't forcing enough; 21. a4+ wins immediately: a) 21... Ka6 22. b4! Nxb4 23. Qc5 threatens both 24. Qxb4 and 25. Qb5#; b) 21... Kc4 (21... Kb4? leads to the same thing but white gains a tempo with 22. c3+) 22. Rd1! (threatening 23. Qe2+ Kc5 24. Qb5# and 23. b3+ Kb4 24. Qd2+ Kc5 25. b4+ Nxb4 26. Qc3+) 22... a6 23. b3+ Kb4 24. Qd2+ Kc5 25. a5! and White wins.

25... Rd7 is clearly better than 25... Kb8.

Instead of 33... Nb5?, 33... Ne8 should have been played. Black can still draw on move 34 with either 34... Rff8 or 34... Rf6, the idea being that 35. Qxb5 is met by 35... Nd4 36. Q moves Nf3+, resulting in a drawn ending. After 34... Rfd7?, black is lost.