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Posted by doctor_knight sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/04/2008 22:59:42 Play online chess	Subject: elusive openings Message: hello everyone, I was just wondering what kind of openings you might consider "elusive" or "deceptive" and why.
Posted by ionadowman sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/05/2008 13:52:02 Play online chess	doctor_knight... Message: ... Do you have any examples of what you think might be elusive or deceptive? Maybe the Modern Defence? I don't know the state of the theory these days, but it seemed to be one of those defences in which too direct an approach by White tended to close on thin air, whereupon Black's counterplay could prove decisive. A couple of years ago witchman organised a "Hippo-Feustel-Robatsch" MT with the opening 1.e4 g6 2.d4. Bg7 3.Nf3. I think White won more than he lost, but not by a statistically significant margin. Here's an example of the play - a wild and woolly encounter White: ionadowman Black: chuckventimiglia 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 b6 4.c4 c5 5.dxc5!? bxc5 6.Qd5!? Nc6 7.Qxc5!? Rb8 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.Bf4 Rb7 10.Rc1 d6 11.Qe3 e5 12.Qd2 exf4 13.Nb5 Rxb5 14.cxb5 Nxa2 15.Rc6 Nf6 16.Bc4 Bd7 17.e5 Ne4 18.Qd5 Be6 19.Qxe4 d5 20.Qxf4 dxc4 21.0-0 0-0 22.Rxc4 Qd5 23.Ra4 Qxb5 24.Rxa7 Qxb2 25.Re1 Nc3 26.Qe3 Nd5 27.Qe4 Rc8 28.Nd4 Qb4 29.h3 Nc3 30.Qe3 Nb5 31.Nxb5 Qxb5 32.Qd4 Bd5 Draw agreed. Such a fast pace couldn't endure forever! Cheers, Ion
Posted by doctor_knight sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/17/2008 21:54:06 Play online chess	Message: yes I suppose most modern openings is kind of what I mean. But I was also thinking about elusive in that perhaps in a certain type of opening or line it is easy to forget about one wing. And not necessarily difficult to see far in, just perhaps difficult to remember certain aspects of the position. Hopefully I'm clear enough. Of course it may be that nearly all openings are like this to an extent. Anyway, I thought elusiveness in chess might be an interesting topic to discuss in general as well as openings. Hopefully my writing is not too elusive :) ——— Senate Designates ‘Chess Day’ Before Heading Home — Passing a hard-fought deal to increase the country’s borrowing limit and reduce the budget deficit wasn’t all that the Senate did before recessing on Tuesday — at least for chess players. Overshadowed by the resolution of the fierce congressional debt-ceiling showdown was the Senate’s adoption of a resolution Tuesday designating Oct. 8, 2011 as “National Chess Day.” Introduced by Sen. John Rockefeller (D., W.Va.), the resolution recognizes the game as a “powerful cognitive learning tool” and “encourages the people of the U.S. to observe “National Chess Day” with appropriate programs and activities.” It noted that “many studies have linked chess programs to the improvement of ...
Posted by ionadowman sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/18/2008 02:36:37 Play online chess	Perhaps opaque is the word... Message: ... I still think an example or two might help. I tended to think of openings that are perhaps obscure/enigmatic/elusive in some sense that the enemy is very difficult to pin down. The Modern Defence is like that, but maybe so is the English Opening. But it seems to me what you might be driving at is the kind of opening that is difficult to master on account of (a) it's variety of avenues to explore, and (b) its tendency to "lead one up the garden path" into disaster, or to obscure and problematical byways. I remember being shown, many years ago by a well-known player in this country, some very murky ideas for Black in the Alekhine's Defence and in the Nimzo-Indian. I have no recollection of details except that the former involved an early ...c5 as I recall, whilst the latter was a line something like this: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne4 6.Qc2 f5 7.f3 Qh4+ 8.g3 Nxg3 9.Qf2 f5 10.hxg3 Qxh1 11.Nh3 etc. (I'm fairly sure this ain't it, but the idea was similar: the Q snatched White's h1-rook, but then had to oil out of the trap somehow. I gather the whole idea was one of M. Tal's schemes). This line reminds me of a game I played earlier in the year against an opponent who has a healthy disrespect for rating differences: White: ionadowman Black: nicolso 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 (The Torre Attack. Not too much theory: highly recommended) 3...Ne4 4.Bh4 f6!? An interesting concept... 5.e3 h5!? Now this was getting decidedly worrying. I'd not seen this before! In the end I couldn't find anything better than 6.Ng1 g5 7.f3 gxh4 8.fxe4 dxe4 with a mess. I don't think White has anything better than an even game at this point, and might even have the worse of it. Cheers, Ion ——— Chess: Knight moves — The finely tuned positional antennae of Ulf Andersson sense a problem requiring a harmonious solution. More from the master of positional play, Ulf Andersson. How did he manage to improve his position? RB: Last week I went for an exchange sacrifice in the game Andersson-Tempone. It wasn't the continuation that Andersson chose, which should perhaps be enough to warn me against the move I am thinking of here – 1…Rd4. If White accepts the offer, 2 Bxd4 then 2…exd4 and the knight, which is pinned to the queen, is lost. But, of course, it's not going to be that simple. White can refuse to play ball and instead go ...
Posted by doctor_knight sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/21/2008 19:59:14 Play online chess	Message: wow. I'll have to look into those. I think I'm talking more about the type of middlegame positions that come about due to certain openings. ——— Rise of computers has lifted game — Bobby Fischer was rarely wrong about chess matters. But in one critical issue, he erred grievously: Late in life, he concluded that chess was played out. Most of the important possibilities in the opening phase had been explored and understood, he thought, and grandmasters’ reliance on computers had taken the creativity out of the game. But it seems that the opposite is true. A complete database of chess games now would be in the millions, not in the tens or hundreds of thousands as in Fischer’s time. And that volume continues to grow as an increasing number of strong chess players, playing an ever larger number of games, dominates chess. Not surprisingly, chess players’ repertoires have ...
Posted by doctor_knight sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/25/2008 22:56:07 Play online chess	Message: sorry for double posting, but I don't think I started the topic right or really gave it quite the right title. What I really wanted was to discuss how to be elusive in chess. Whether in the endgame, the middlegame, or the opening. So I suppose my title was wrong then :) ——— Armenia Takes Team Title; Chinese Player Is Top Scorer — The Chess Olympiad, which was first held in 1924, is the most elite national team event in the chess world. But the World Team Chess Championship is in some ways more competitive because it includes only 10 squads, so there are no easy matches. This year, Armenia, the No. 4 seed, was the runaway winner at the chess event, which ended on Tuesday in Ningbo, China. It was hardly an upset; the Armenians, behind Levon Aronian, have won two of the last three Chess Olympiads, which are held every two years. China, the No. 6 seed, finished second, and Ukraine lived up to its seeding by winning the bronze medal. Russia, which was the top seed and had won the last two Team Chess Championships, finished ...
Posted by lighttotheright sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/26/2008 00:40:41 Play online chess	Message: The problem with trying to play elusive in chess is that the answer is always laid bare within the position. Your opponent only needs to look deep enough. When you are prepared, playing elusive might work against an opponent you know well. You can play an opening where he is weak and where you have an advantage. If your opponent is unfamiliar with an opening that you play well, then your chances at some sort of successful deception grow considerably. This especially works best when there is less time for your opponent to think the position through. Faster time controls usually give the person with more experience an advantage. ——— Armenia replaces England as nation that punches above its weight — In the 1980s and 1990s England punched above their weight in world chess events. Silver medals in the Chess Olympiads of 1984, 1986 and 1988 and bronze at the 1985 and 1989 world teams were followed by gold at the 1997 Euroteams. After that the England chess team aged or retired, while competition increased with the break-up of the Soviet Union. There have been hopes in the past two years that a new England chess group could become international contenders, as Luke McShane, David Howell and Gawain Jones became strong chess grandmasters to support the established stars Michael Adams and Nigel Short. But recently McShane has reverted to a full-time job and is not competing in ...
Posted by doctor_knight sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/29/2008 09:51:15 Play online chess	Message: yeah, that makes sense. Of course in most other things, like war for example, the only thing the enemy doesn't have theoretical access to is the plans in the opponent's head. Theoretically, satellites, spies, planes, UAVs, and scouts can reveal anything physical. However, there is a matter of practicality. Like you said, the opponent only has to look deep enough, but is that practical? You only have so much time and there are so many possibilities to explore. In warfare, there's so much territory to cover and so many aspects of the enemy to explore but a limited amount of resources. In correspondence, it's easier, but we are still not machines (and hopefully don't use them). There's perhaps one example that may help. I've never played the hedgehog defense, but I've heard that it is deceptively docile. I don't know how true this is because no one has played it against me, but it seems to be kind of what I'm talking about. Another thing that I was thinking about is feinting. Is there such a thing as feinting in chess? I'm sure there is. I'm mainly speaking of intentionally drawing the opponent's attention in one direction to open up another weakness. I guess one example could have to do with the over-worked piece that must defend several targets, but that is a tactical matter and is not necessarily a feint in my book (it is a legitimate attack). What about strategically feinting? Would this be more of a matter of the opening with transpositions? Can you feint by maneuvering? Is this more possible in closed positions or open positions?
Posted by lighttotheright sleepingdogsliethemovie.com 8/31/2008 11:06:37 Play online chess	Message: The principle of double attack is well established, tactical and strategy wise. I would not call that feinting. The best description of a feint strategy is using something that is normally considered weak to prompt your opponent to let down his guard or perhaps even over extend himself with what are usually considered strong responses. If you as White played 1. e3, that would be considered a feint. Although it is generally considered a weak move on White's part, 1. e3 e5 2. d4 and it turns out that it is not so bad after all (Amsterdam Attack). Alekhine's Defense is another classical example of a feinting strategy in the opening.